Showing posts with label elk scoring. Show all posts
Showing posts with label elk scoring. Show all posts

Saturday, July 7, 2012

Field Judging Elk and Scoring Elk Antlers 4

Below is the next exercise in How to Field Judge and Score Bull Elk.  These photos were taken by Colburn and Scott Outfitters.  There are several different angles from this Arizona Bull Elk.  What is this bulls gross score?  What are his point measurements?  What are his mass measurements?  How long are the main beams?  How about Inside Spread?  How does the rack look compared to his body?  Post your guesses and scores here by clicking the post title, "Field Judging Elk and Scoring Elk Antlers 4" or go to Colburn and Scott Outfitters Facebook Page
Left Antler Angle

Right Antler Angle


Front On Antler Angle


Rear Antler Angle

Click the post title above to leave your guess or put your score on our facebook page.  I will post the results in a few days.  As much as I love to pour over the numbers and analyze data it is important to keep in mind that the thrill of the hunt, getting to enjoy God's creation and spending time with friends is the thing that keeps us coming back for more. Try to not let score determine whether the hunt is a success or failure.

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Wednesday, June 20, 2012

Field Judging Elk and Scoring Elk Antlers

Posted by Jay Scott



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We are going to be doing a series of "How to Field Judge Elk" and "How to Score Elk".  At Colburn and Scott Outfitters and JayScottOutdoors we are constantly trying to improve our ability to field judge elk on the hoof and it seems as if we are always learning something new when it comes to Field Judging and Scoring Elk antlers.  If you have any questions in regards to scoring or field judging please email them to me or if have pictures of a bull that you want us to estimate the score send them at jayscottoutdoors@gmail.com or js43560@cox.net.

The first bull that we are going to examine is a bull that was harvested by Dan in the 2011 Archery Elk Season in Arizona Unit 10.  Unit 10 is one of Arizona's premium elk units and one of our favorites.  He was guided by my partners, Darr Colburn and Janis Putelis, of Colburn and Scott Outfitters.  Check out the videos below to see Dan's Bull prior to harvest and then the second video is the actual hunt video





I have written several articles on "How to Field Judge and Score Elk" in Western Hunter Magazine and Elk Hunter Magazine.  Click Here to see the articles, WH 1 and EHM 2.  In those articles, I discuss two ways to field judge an elk.  The first is to Estimate Actual Measurements (EAM) and the second, is to Estimate the Shortest Points (ESP).  If you are not familiar with these methods please review these magazines articles by clicking on the above listed links.  When I am trying to make a quick decision and evaluation I use the ESP method and when I have time to really pick the antlers apart I use EAM method.  When I am field judging using ESP I do the math in my head when using the EAM method I write on my hand or on anything I can find.  The ESP is usually closer to net score and the EAM is typically closer to the gross score.
The quadrant picture above is from an article on "Field Judging Elk" that I did for Elk Hunter Magazine.  The pictures are of Dan's bull prior to harvest.  Lets compare the Estimated Actual Measurements (EAM) to the actual measurements from the score sheet below which was taken after the bull was harvested.



There are four components to scoring a bull elk. These components are listed in the order of importance in relation to total score. The averages listed are generalizations of percentage for 350 type bulls.  Length of Points 45%, Length of Main Beam 28%, Mass 16% and Inside Spread 11% (see chart below).

Lets take a look at the numbers of Dan's bull.  Points=167 4/8, L-84 3/8 and R-83 1/8 (44% of total score), Main Beam Length=111 5/8, L-57 1/8 and R-54 4/8 (30% of total score), Mass=57 1/8, L-28 4/8 and R-28 5/8 (15% of total score), Inside Spread= 37 2/8 (9% of total score).  In my estimates from the quadrant above in the Estimating Actual Measurements category, I guessed 171inches(compared to actual 170 inches) for the left side and 163 inches (compared to the actual 166 2/8inches) for the right side.  I guessed the spread well at 37 inches.  One thing I have picked up over the years of hunting in Unit 10 for elk is that the bulls don't seem to carry the mass like they do in some of the other units.  Dan's bull gross scores 373 4/8 but only has 28 4/8 and 28 5/8 of mass per side.  So when hunting in Unit 10 keep in mind 28-29 is a much better number to use for estimating mass than 30 per side.  Colburn and Scott Outfitters had a hunter that killed a 400" bull in 2009 in Unit 10 and he didn't even make the 30 inch per side for mass.

Another thing to look at when you watch the videos of Dan's bull is that the left main beam is definitely longer when you compare the distance along the beam from the fifth point to the tip of the main beam.  If you look closely you will see the left beam has a slight wave in it and that is a good indicator of extra length.

 Actual Measurements: Left side-18 4/8, 18 7/8, 14 3/8, 19 6/8, 12 7/8, 57 1/8MB, Mass 8 4/8, 7 1/8, 6 7/8, 6 0/8=170 inches total for left side and the Right side-17 6/8, 16 7/8, 14 7/8, 19 7/8, 13 6/8, 54 4/8MB, Mass 8 6/8, 7 4/8, 6 4/8, 5 7/8=166 2/8 inches total for right side.  170+166 2/8+ 37 2/8 Inside Spread = 373 4/8 gross


Colburn and Scott Outfitters Guide Darr Colburn and Hunter Dan with his Pope and Young record book Arizona bull





The Left Main Beam definitely looks longer in this picture.


Remember in order to have a bull make the 350 inch mark a good rule of thumb is 28-29 inches of mass per side, 50+ inch main beams but hardly ever over 60, Point length needs to be pushing 75-80+ inches per side, the inside spread is basically immaterial but should be somewhere in the 34-40+ range

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Wednesday, October 5, 2011

Guess the Score-Bull Elk 15


Guess the score of this bull elk. Click on title of Blog Post to post your score. My cousin Jimmy Vincent and I were able to both video this bull together while scouting.

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Friday, August 5, 2011

Guess the Score-Bull Elk-Updated



What does this bull score?  Click on post title to comment or post your score.  here is what I see:
L-11,12,10,18,15,7,54,27=154 R-12,13,10,19,15,8,54,27=158, inside spread 39 Total 351 Gross


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Monday, March 21, 2011

Big Colorado Bull Photos

Ok, elk hunters, what does this bull score?  I underjudged this one for sure.  He is a beauty?  The answer is below so make your guess and see how close you are.






When these photos were sent to me for my guesstimate here is my response, "

L-15,17,18,19,15,29,52=165
R-14,18,19,19,15,29,52=166
35 wide
366 Gross



Here is what they score apparently the sheds were scored by a P/Y measurer. We actually have his sheds from the previous two years also. He was 335 then last year 352 and now 382.  Fantastic bull thanks for sharing!

Friday, March 18, 2011

Guess the Score-Bull Elk 13


How to Field Judge and Score Arizona Bull Elk.  Check out the pictures and video of this big Arizona Bull.




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Tuesday, March 15, 2011

Score the elk







Here is my guesstimate:
L-15,15,13,17,12,52,29=153
R-15,16,14,17,11,51,29=153
36 wide
342 Gross

Wednesday, August 18, 2010

Guess the Score-Bull Elk 12



All measurements are a guesstimate and no animals were harmed in the filming of this video :)

Tuesday, August 17, 2010

Guess the Score-Bull Elk 11



No animals were harmed in the filming of this video and all measurements are a guesstimate

Monday, August 16, 2010

Guess the Score-Bull Elk 10


All measurements are a guesstimate and no animals were injured in the filming of this video :)

Sunday, August 15, 2010

Guess the Score-Bull Elk 9


All measurements are a guesstimate and no animals were harmed in the filming of this video!

Thursday, August 12, 2010

Guess the Score-Bull Elk 6


WATCH IN HD!

All measurements are a guesstimate and NO animals were harmed in the filming of this video!
Although this bull was later harvested by a friend of a friend of ours towards the end of the season

Tuesday, August 10, 2010

Guess the Score-Bull Elk 5



All measurements are a guesstimate and no animals were harmed in the filming of this video!

Monday, August 9, 2010

Guess the Score-Bull Elk 4



All measurements are a guesstimate.  No animals were harmed in the filming of this video :) !

Sunday, August 8, 2010

Guess the Score-Bull Elk 3



All measurements are a guesstimate and no animals were harmed in the filming of this video :)!

Saturday, August 7, 2010

Guess the score-Bull Elk 2



All measurements are a guesstimate.  No animals were harmed in the filming of this video :) !

Friday, August 6, 2010

Guess the score-Bull Elk 1



All measurements are a guesstimate, no animals were harmed during the filming of this video segment :) !
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